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Title: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: gregswallow on May 06, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
Some discussion has recently taken place on the devinfo list - here are the archives of the topics started there:

http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/devinfo/2009-April/thread.html
http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/devinfo/2009-May/thread.html

Hopefully discussion can continue here, with a wider audience...

Thanks,

Greg
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: cactus on May 06, 2009, 12:15:48 PM
http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/devinfo/2009-April/thread.html
http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/devinfo/2009-May/thread.html
I think it would be nice for forum readers if some of the main contributers would be willing to make a digest of it. I have followed the threads, but I am not sure all of the readers here will dive in to them.
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: pwalter on May 06, 2009, 04:18:01 PM
Making a digest looks difficult - interested users may simply have to read the threads. To make it easier to figure out what we are talking about, here is the thread starter:
http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/devinfo/2009-April/010084.html
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: pwalter on May 07, 2009, 06:13:45 AM
Cactus,

Would it be possible to ....
- rename the forum to "Governance" or something like that so it is useful for matters more than just elections
- move it to be below "Announcements" but above "Contribs.org forums" to make it highly visible
- put a link to it within "Quick Links" in the right pane of the opening wiki page?

What do you think?
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: cactus on May 07, 2009, 02:13:14 PM
Would it be possible to ....
- rename the forum to "Governance" or something like that so it is useful for matters more than just elections
- move it to be below "Announcements" but above "Contribs.org forums" to make it highly visible
- put a link to it within "Quick Links" in the right pane of the opening wiki page?

What do you think?
I don't now. I suggest you raise a bug for it in the bugtracker against the contribs.org website. I do not administrate the forums, I am only a moderator.
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: pwalter on May 13, 2009, 06:13:25 PM
Some discussion has recently taken place on the devinfo list - here are the archives of the topics started there:

http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/devinfo/2009-April/thread.html
http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/devinfo/2009-May/thread.html

Hopefully discussion can continue here, with a wider audience...

Thanks,

Greg
The discussion is moving to the "discussion" list. If you are not signed up
for that list, or other lists, you can sign up at http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/listinfo/ .

Some discussion has already taken place on the discussion list - here are the archives of this topic over there:

http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/discussion/2009-May/thread.html

Regards,
Peter
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: dmay on May 22, 2009, 06:08:01 PM
The discussion is moving to the "discussion" list. If you are not signed up
for that list, or other lists, you can sign up at http://lists.contribs.org/mailman/listinfo/ .

Some discussion has already taken place on the discussion list - here are the archives of this topic over there:

http://lists.contribs.org/pipermail/discussion/2009-May/thread.html

Regards,
Peter

The discussion list is WAY TOO QUIET. Please review the archive and join in. :)

Darrell
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: pwalter on May 22, 2009, 06:36:16 PM
The discussion list is WAY TOO QUIET. Please review the archive and join in. :)

Darrell
Darrell, one reason for the silence might be that outgoing emails from the list have stopped - so people don't know that there are new posts. I have emailed the list administrator about the problem.
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: ReetP on June 29, 2009, 07:07:30 PM
Well I'm here, so count me in. I've read most of the list discussions.

As a long time user I would like to be able to contribute where I can. I'm no coder unfortunately, but will be happy to help where I can.

I think SME / Contribs is an excellent distro -a real hidden gem - and would dearly love to see it continue, and increase in popularity. I have commented elsewhere here before that a combination of SME + an exchange replacement would be phenomenal. I personally run it with vTiger on top for CRM, and another with Egroupware.

I think the core developers are excellent and never receive the praise they deserve.

The biggest problem that I can see here is apathy from the users. And I'm not sure anyone knows the cure for that. Anyway, I'll put my hand in the air for something, even though I was always warned to never volunteer for anything............

Does anyone have any ideas of the current costs for hardware / etc for maintaining the servers etc etc ? I am just wondering about bashing a few users for a few quid/euros/bucks................
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: cactus on June 29, 2009, 08:55:27 PM
Does anyone have any ideas of the current costs for hardware / etc for maintaining the servers etc etc ?
Contact admin AT contribs DOT org for information on that.
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: betchern0t on February 09, 2010, 04:19:32 AM
Hi,
     I am attempting to start a new business which among other things would be around
SME. One senior member of the community stated that SME was a dead end, shrinking rather than growing. I have read all the discussion on this thread of governance and child threads and it just peters out. What is the current status of leadership of the distro?

Before anyone says I haven't given back, I have a contrib under development and would be involved in a variety of ways. But if the distro has a limited future I will move on.

Cheers Paul
http://www.kytalia.com.au
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: pwalter on February 09, 2010, 04:58:24 AM
Paul,

I hope the senior member provided you with evidence of the shrinkage.

Most of the governance discussions take place on an invitation-only mailing list at the moment. The intent was to have something ready for the general SME community by now; we are a few months behind schedule, but I believe we are still making progress. There isn't any "official" leadership at the moment, but there *is* a hard-working team of volunteers who are very active. Three of us volunteers are working to re-establish a formal leadership structure for the project.

I hope to read your posts on the devinfo mailing list regarding your contrib.

I think the SME distro will survive and prosper as long as there is a committed team to work on it, and as long as it continues to attract new users. Right now, that seems to be the case.

Peter
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: betchern0t on February 09, 2010, 05:14:24 AM
Thanks Peter. That is what I wanted to know. I have been on the outskirts of SME/E-Smith for a long time since at least version 5 possibly version 3. Left for a while and now am back wanting to get involved and to make a living out of open source software.

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: byte on March 03, 2010, 12:49:11 PM
I think the SME distro will survive and prosper as long as there is a committed team to work on it, and as long as it continues to attract new users. Right now, that seems to be the case.

Have a look here to find out just how many users the SME Server has to-date:

SME Server stats (http://smolt.contribs.org/)
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: stephdl on March 06, 2010, 04:32:06 PM
Have a look here to find out just how many users the SME Server has to-date:

SME Server stats (http://smolt.contribs.org/)
what does it means, there are around 30 000 users of sme in the world ?....it's not  enough!!!!
 
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: Stefano on March 06, 2010, 05:30:38 PM
what does it means, there are around 30 000 users of sme in the world ?....it's not  enough!!!!

stats are about servers, not users.. there are SME serving hundreds users..

anyway, could you define "it's not enough"?
thank you
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: pfloor on March 06, 2010, 08:28:44 PM
what does it means, there are around 30 000 users of sme in the world ?....it's not  enough!!!!
betchern0t posted his concerns about possible "shrinkage" and byte posted a link to the current stats however the point of the number of current servers is missed (and misleading) without more history.

What is missing here is the growth that is not shown by such a short amount of time (9 weeks).  This does not show the growth over the past couple of years.

Smolt Estimates (from memory)...
At time of implementation (around Sept 2007) 10,000 Servers.
Approx 1 year ago 20,000 Servers.
Today there are 30,000+ servers out there.

This is from memory so the numbers are not exact but it should give you a good idea about the growth and dispel any myths about SME shrinking.

Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: stephdl on March 06, 2010, 08:51:53 PM
i mean it's a lot of people effectively....but i'm affraid about Sme Server....
i don't think there are a lot of new users, and if you see the french mailling list of sme user, the decrease is visible, and evident

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.e-smith.fr/about

However, it's a great distribution but that is really starting to grow old in web and samba
i heard that the sme8 RC will come for april 2010 and i'm happy.

sorry for my english, i'm french
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: slords on March 06, 2010, 10:26:04 PM
Smolt Estimates (from memory)...
At time of implementation (around Sept 2007) 10,000 Servers.
Approx 1 year ago 20,000 Servers.
Today there are 30,000+ servers out there.

Number of registered systems isn't the same thing as active sme servers.  The graph on the front page is a count of active systems.  The count under stats is the number of registered systems.  The difference between the two (~15k) is the number of systems that were installed (some for testing/verification) that are no longer active.
Title: Re: New discussions of business ideas, governance, reorganization and elections
Post by: pfloor on March 06, 2010, 10:52:26 PM
Number of registered systems isn't the same thing as active sme servers.  The graph on the front page is a count of active systems.  The count under stats is the number of registered systems.  The difference between the two (~15k) is the number of systems that were installed (some for testing/verification) that are no longer active.
True and the growth of the number of active systems also shows continuous increases.

Sept 2007 = 9,800 (From memory, Shad can you go back any further)
Sept 2008 = 14,000
Sept 2009 = 17,500
Today = 18,423