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Title: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: Knuddi on December 03, 2019, 10:10:03 PM
Hi All,

Just installed an Outlook 2019 and discovered that they do no longer support a different username than e-mail addresses for login. This means that I cannot connect to my SME server as it doesn't support e-mail address validation (as far as I know).

Anyone having seen and solved this?

Thanks,
Jesper
Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: Jean-Philippe Pialasse on December 04, 2019, 01:37:09 AM
There seems to have an answer there https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/cannot-setup-imap-email-account-in-outlook-2019/9599a493-3b80-43c2-b6ae-98d1a9ca26bc


Also is there a way to first setup the username@domain.tld and then add the pseudonyms and select one as default?

Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: mmccarn on December 04, 2019, 03:48:35 AM
I spent a day fighting with this last month, trying to setup Outlook 2019 with a Kerio server.

It looks to me like Microsoft has put significant effort into making it hard to use any mail server except Office365.

My understanding is that - no matter what you think you're trying to do, Microsoft:
- tries to login to Office365 (even if you select 'manual configure')
- then looks for your autocomplete configuration
- then lets you try a manual connection

It may be possible to configure an autoconfigure xml file that would let Office365 configure itself for SME -- but maybe not, too.

I did confirm that I could setup the account I needed in Outlook 2016, then export the registry settings for the new account, load them into outlook 2019, fiddle with the account and data files, and get it to work -- but that seems a bit extreme.

Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: Jean-Philippe Pialasse on December 04, 2019, 05:47:23 AM
I have a WIP of autoconfiguration file for SME around if it can help
Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: mmccarn on December 04, 2019, 11:49:22 AM
This feels like something we'd better deal with, so I've opened an NFR in bugzilla
Bug 10842 (https://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10842)

Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: mmccarn on December 04, 2019, 01:06:19 PM
I found a work-around here:
Quote from: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/cannot-setup-imap-email-account-in-outlook-2019/9599a493-3b80-43c2-b6ae-98d1a9ca26bc
open the control panel and to open "Mail (Microsoft Outlook 2016)", yes it is stil called like that although Outlook 365/2019 is installed. From there you can add and change accounts just as you always did.

[edit]
I have added this note to the Email / Email Clients section on the wiki:
https://wiki.contribs.org/Email#Outlook_365_.2F_Outlook_2019_IMAP_Configuration
Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: ReetP on December 04, 2019, 05:32:41 PM
It looks to me like Microsoft has put significant effort into making it hard to use any mail server except Office365.

Yup - this has been going on for a long while - certainly since they insisted on individual verification of each user email for outgoing mail thereby preventing you using your ISP as a smarthost - years back.

https://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9050

As a result I decided to host my own SME as an email server in the cloudy sky thing without an ISP, but several of the big providers like M$ are also trying to block your legitimate mail with IP subnet blocks etc. (even though they themselves are happy to ignore RFC compliance on a lot of their own servers - can't find their own post in this dammit).

It is why we are moving inexorably to chat (and I know it is the target of chat services) as it bypasses many of the problems with email (encryption being a big one, attachments, etc etc). No, email won't die tomorrow. But the writing is on the wall. It is the next fax.

Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: SchulzStefan on December 04, 2019, 08:19:32 PM
OT and just my 2C

It's their program and they want you in their cloud. Call it whatever you want...
Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: ReetP on December 04, 2019, 10:06:36 PM
It's their program and they want you in their cloud. Call it whatever you want...

I need a large dictionary :-)

Monopolisation.... ?
Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: Jean-Philippe Pialasse on December 04, 2019, 10:13:55 PM
MMccarn

thanks for opening the bug report.
thanks also for finding the old one.

you can see the file I use added to the bug

also anothe approach( and maybe both should be done) would be to solve this bug for IMAP:
https://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9865

but then we should to the same for POP and SMTP:


One way to fix POP if the current daemon is not able to do this could be to use dovecot for both pop and imap (this was planned https://bugs.contribs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7510)
currently we use qmail-popup /qmail-pop3d which use   checkpassword-pam and I do not think they can handle this. Not tested myself.


On the qpsmtpd (SMTP and SSMTP) side, we use auth/auth_cvm_unix_local
it can already handle the @domain.tld

Code: [Select]
   my ($u, $host) = split(/\@/, $user);
    $host ||= "localhost";
Title: Re: Outlook 2019 and SME
Post by: Fumetto on December 05, 2019, 09:48:33 AM
My solution: configure on 1st start a "commercial" email (Gmail in my case). After Outlook open go on file > Profile. From this place can open a "old" window to configure all parameter.

HTH