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SME 11 : choose upstream

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SME 11 : choose upstream
« on: June 14, 2021, 08:05:43 AM »
With CentOS 8 switch to stream, as many of you knows, the idea of SME to stick closely as downstream stable RHEL distro  force us to switch to a different project.


Currently the available solutions are:

- Rocky Linux 8, by the original founder of CentOS, made by the community for the community. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Linux
- Alma Linux 8, by Cloud Linux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlmaLinux
- Oracle Linux 8, By Oracle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Linux


Two of the three are backed by a corporation directly distributing it.
They should be all binary compatible with Rhel 8. Hence, it should even be possible to move from one to another, but it would be better to choose one and stick to it at least for all SME 11 life.

This post is intended to be a discussion before we commit to one of those.

Please feel free to ask questions, add some thoughts ...

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2021, 09:23:42 AM »
Personally community first, so Rocky.
Second choice Alma.
Oracle over my cold dead body.... :lol:
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Offline TerryF

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2021, 10:49:13 AM »
Definitely rocky no question, others look good trust being the big thing

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2021, 01:18:03 PM »
Rocky
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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2021, 09:17:00 PM »
Rocky first.
but the alternatives are not that numerous.
And Rocky seems so new, just promising for now but I don’t follow evolution closely.

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2021, 10:31:07 PM »
I love the philosophy by the community for the community, but we wll have to watch closely on next releases in the few month to come if they manage to get on the schedule.

Oracle has demonstrated they were able to folow up on release of OL 8... but this is backed by Oracle and there are lovers and hater...

Alma has managed to get the 2 first releases in due time, and are backed by Cloud Linux with 1Million $ a year.

Backed by a corporation is a security in term of efficiency, but corporation could change its policy, as we saw with CentOS/RedHat...


I tends too to go for Rocky, because of the community based as we are, but keep a close look on the release for the next months and see if it seems ok for the long term.

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2021, 11:45:39 PM »
Because of the Herculean work by JP, Fagey & others we have the luxury of an OS supported for a few years.

I strongly suggest we use this time wisely to build for the future and do some housekeeping chores.

We can keep watch on progress elsewhere and be ready to react and change direction as required.

A luxury indeed. Let's not waste it.
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1. Read the Manual
2. Read the Wiki
3. Don't ask for support on Unsupported versions of software
4. I have a job, wife, and kids and do this in my spare time. If you want something fixed, please help.

Bugs are easier than you think: http://wiki.contribs.org/Bugzilla_Help

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2021, 12:00:45 AM »
2024/06/30 is almost tomorrow ...

I agree not to precipitate, but I do not want to publish another version 8 months after the EOL of the previous one ;)

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2021, 12:03:37 AM »
Indeed.

But we have a few weeks :-)
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1. Read the Manual
2. Read the Wiki
3. Don't ask for support on Unsupported versions of software
4. I have a job, wife, and kids and do this in my spare time. If you want something fixed, please help.

Bugs are easier than you think: http://wiki.contribs.org/Bugzilla_Help

If you love SME and don't want to lose it, join in: http://wiki.contribs.org/Koozali_Foundation

Offline TerryF

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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2021, 03:20:32 AM »
Oh yeah, pick a winner we have time..Rocky is very active just now, wonder if we can get an in have to have a read and see if they are having sub groups like mcentos did that was not very welcoming :-(

For now Rocky looks the good, and they seemed to have not rushed to produce a product, steady and solid, sound familiar, CentOS, considering who is behind Rocky its no wonder
 
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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2021, 03:21:57 AM »
and to add, have Rocky and Oracle VMs running happily on the little microserver :-) havent tried Alma

PS: went somewhere that has power and a desktop I can use :-) for a short time anyway
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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2021, 05:26:40 PM »
According to wikipedia (the acknowledged authority on everything as we know) there are 10 Centos based distros to choose from as of now:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions#CentOS/RHEL-based

Asianux
ClearOS
Fermi Linux LTS
Miracle Linux
Oracle Linux
Red Flag Linux
Rocks Cluster Distribution
Rocky Linux
Scientific Linux
Amazon Linux 2

Some are an obvious no. but thoughts on them all .. some included have already been mentioned.
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Re: SME 11 : choose upstream
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2021, 06:58:39 AM »
I believe Scientific Linux is no longer being developed.
see https://linux.web.cern.ch/#update-on-centos-linux-strategy

CENTOS no longer provides a long-term stable base so nor does anything based on CENTOS.
If the wiser heads at CERN have given up on CENTOS perhaps we should take notice of them.

Rocky seems to be picking up where CENTOS left off, at least that is their stated aim.
Rocky gets my vote.

Cheers
Ian
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