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SMTP et Spam Microsoft

Offline claude70

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SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« on: August 21, 2017, 09:14:57 AM »
Bonjour,
dans un premier temps, la réponse la plus simple à ma question est d'utiliser le serveur SMTP de mon FAI. Mais ça m’agace de ne pas savoir où est mon erreur.

J'ai un serveur SME 9.2 avec un SMTP de configuré.
La configuration du SMTP est de base avec "normalement" tout l'écosystème OK. (DNS, rDNS, SPF, DKIM .....)

Mon problème est simple, dès que j'envoie un mail sur une adresse Microsoft (Live, Outlook, Hotmail ... ), cela arrive directement dans le dossier SPAM. Avec n'importe quelles autres adresses (GMAIL, Orange .... ), je n'ai pas ce soucis.

Je suis allé sur le Microsoft Community pour demander de l'aide et la réponse est : Tout est ok pour nous !
Via des services style :
Mail Tester : 10/10
verifier.port25.com : aucun problème
zonemaster :  aucun problème

Donc ma question est simple, à votre avis, où est mon(/mes) erreur(/s) ?
Je suis preneur de tout !!!

Merci par avance.

Offline Stefano

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 09:54:20 AM »
if you can, you'd ask to one recipient to send you the full email headers to check what's going on

in any case, I think you can't solve your issue, meaning that it seems something "wrong" on their side (and that likely won't be fixed)

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 10:48:45 AM »
Thx Stefano,

il a noté aussi que quand je fais le test de mon serveur SMTP sur MxToolBox, il me trouve un warning :
SMTP Transaction Time   6.198 seconds - Warning on Transaction Time

sinon voici un header :

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allez encore un petit courrier comme tu le voulais !!

Offline Stefano

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2017, 11:40:18 AM »
try to paste your unmodified headers here:

https://mxtoolbox.com/EmailHeaders.aspx

and see if you get some useful info..

Offline claude70

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2017, 12:16:02 PM »
Thx Stefano,

J'ai aussi utilisé ce site pour l'analyse des headers :
https://testconnectivity.microsoft.com/

Malheureusement, cela ne donne rien d'étrange.
Sauf ceci :
Spam Confidence Level   5
Spam Filtering Verdict   SPM

Une note de 5 sur "Spam Confidence Level" indique que c'est du SPAM, mais rien n'explique pourquoi.

Je suis perdu / I'm lost.

Offline Stefano

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2017, 12:24:09 PM »
Une note de 5 sur "Spam Confidence Level" indique que c'est du SPAM, mais rien n'explique pourquoi.

this is quite normal when you face a problem with M$ products..

Quote
Je suis perdu / I'm lost.

me too, sorry...

Offline mmccarn

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2017, 12:50:18 PM »
J'ai trouve cela -

1. Publish SPF records and sign mail with DKIM authentication.
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2. Be sure to ramp-up your sending IP address.
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3. Sign up for SNDS. Microsoft’s Smart Network Data Service (SNDS) is a reputation portal that helps you to understand deliverability-related reputation issues.
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4. Don’t get tagged for Namespace Mining
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5. ($$$) Get Certified. Return Path runs a paid Certification whitelist, and Microsoft is listed (by both Microsoft and Return Path) as a user of this whitelist.
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Microsoft operates a feedback loop, called the Junk Mail Reporting Program (JMRP).

Offline claude70

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2017, 02:07:27 PM »
Coool et merci mmccarn

Alors, dans l'ordre :

1. Publish SPF records and sign mail with DKIM authentication.
C'est OK
2. Be sure to ramp-up your sending IP address.
Heu .... Ca c'est un peu plus compliqué, je ne suis pas blacklisté mais comment connaitre l'indice de réputation de son domaine ?
3. Sign up for SNDS. Microsoft’s Smart Network Data Service (SNDS)
Ca c'est fait il y a un ou deux mois.
4. Don’t get tagged for Namespace Mining
Mon Ip n'est pas bloqué chez Microsoft.
5. ($$$) Get Certified. Return Path runs a paid Certification whitelist
Ha ... Heu non, je n'ai pas de certificat ... oups. Mais je ne suis pas le seul sur terre quand même ???

Je vais essayer d’approfondir le point n°2.

Encore Merci

Offline claude70

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2017, 06:25:05 PM »
C'est assez rigolo ....  :shock:
Je viens de tester mon IP sur ce site : http://www.reputationauthority.org
Pour connaitre ma réputation ... et je suis à 50%.
Donc ni-bon, ni-mauvais.
Cela n'aide en rien à mon problème mais c'est toujours sympa de voir ce genre de statistique.


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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2017, 08:59:13 PM »
Des l'instant que tu envois des courriels depuis une connexion avec une ip dynamique (incluant une ip vendue comme fixe mais declaree dans un bloc ip dynamique) tuauras ce genre de resultats avec microsoft et aol particulierement mais parfois avec d'autres.

De plus, il faut considerer la reputation de yon ip mais sussi celles des ips du meme bloc ip.

Offline mmccarn

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 12:22:37 PM »
You could create a "feedback loop" account with Microsoft:
https://mail.live.com/mail/services.aspx#Section1

You could also research your specific IP using Microsoft's SDNS tools:
https://postmaster.live.com/snds/index.aspx

I also found a link to this useful-looking list of email deliverability information for many email providers:
https://wordtothewise.com/isp-information/



Offline claude70

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2017, 10:10:04 AM »
Bonjour,
comme indiqué par Jean-Philippe Pialasse, je vais bientôt croire qu'il est impossible d'avoir son p'tit serveur SMTP perso et de n'être bloqué par personne.
J'abandonne (avec regret) et j'vais repasser par le smtp de mon FAI.
Comme cela plus aucun soucis.

Merci pour tout et @ bientôt.

Offline Jean-Philippe Pialasse

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Re: SMTP et Spam Microsoft
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2017, 03:04:22 PM »
Impossible, non, mais très difficile et demandant beaucoup de maintenance.