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Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)

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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2017, 08:15:12 PM »
I am not too surprised: the installation of SME 10 Alpha2 fails with identical symptoms as the CentOS 7 installation.

Now I am a bit concerned with regard to my current machine. Is it worth to invest much more work? What are the minimum hardware requirements for SME 10? Identical to CentOS 7?

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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2017, 10:23:51 PM »
Yes..although memory is cheap..

I have used an old IBM thinkcentre desktop that chugs away happily in a local community house computer room as a file/media/print  server currently using SME9.1, more than adequate for what it does, been doing its stuff for 3 years now.  They have limited financial resources, I think it cost something like $30 used.

By the time SME9 goes EOL and hopefully Koozali is still active with SME10 I think it will be time then to retire the thinkcentre and get another cheap used box that is compatable. :-)
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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2017, 03:57:47 PM »
May be of use

Red Hat Knowledgebase article - 13 Jan 2016

https://access.redhat.com/solutions/1595533
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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2017, 10:18:02 PM »
Thanks for this additional hint. I will check with SME 9.1 the other day.

This evening I have upgraded my machine to 2 GByte RAM (RAM on Ebay is indeed cheap), but this did not solve my installation problem with SME 10 Alpha 2 as well as CentOS 7. So I made some further tests.

Obviously both distros did not like the HDD partion (created by SME 9.1). After wiping the partion table and the first cylinders with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4M count=200, I at least was able to initiate the installation of both distros. However both distros obviously have problems with the graphical user interface on my machine. The GUI gets chopped: seems to be a VGA driver issue. Appending the boot option text  I now have to fiddle with text mode installation. This is currently running. Strange problems with my machine...

I will report more in the next days.

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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2017, 10:19:52 PM »
please report in bugzilla, thank you

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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2017, 07:15:50 PM »
In the meantime I was able to duplicate the problem on CentOS 7.3, and I logged a second bug on buzilla @RedHat. They were now closed by RedHat, both for RHEL 6 as well as RHEL 7:
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We got hold of a 8168c (21) model just as yours.  However, even after a couple of days testing we can't get it to honor WoL requests at all, independently of using the Linux in-tree 8169 driver, or the Realtek-provided 8168 driver.  We tested this in different hardware setups as well as in different network setups, known to WoL well using a Realtek 8168f.

To top it off, the 8168c we got for testing can't WoL after a power cycle, because it switches itself to 'WoL off' on a cold start.

Other than that, the NIC works as desired.  Our conclusion is that the devices differ in some cases even when using seemingly identical hardware, and the devices are apparently prone to BIOS or hardware differences.

Given that we're unable to reproduce this problem with reasonable effort, I'll close this issue (as well as BZ 1410994) as CANTFIX.

So I think, this is it :sad: Probably I have to send my machine to the Happy Hunting Grounds in the mid term.

Thanks for your advice and help!

turandot

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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2017, 11:52:24 PM »
ah, bummer...not unexpected actually..

You could stay with the kmod driver and keep the old girl going :-)

Great triage and investigation, not such a good outcome but still an outcome that is understood and can be worked with.
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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2017, 11:54:13 PM »
If you did want to keep the old hardware in service this is worth a read re using the kmod packages

https://elrepo.org/tiki/wl-kmod
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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2018, 02:20:44 AM »
Even if it is an old thread :-)

Looks like the end of the road :  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1417367#c14

RH private bug, need to be logged in to RH Bugzilla to see.
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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2018, 05:32:04 AM »
even logged:

You are not authorized to access bug #1417367.

Most likely the bug has been restricted for internal development processes and we cannot grant access.

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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2018, 07:08:32 AM »
Added you, JP, to the RH bugs CC list
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Re: Waking up of SME 9.1 using WoL (SME server used for Affa)
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2018, 07:12:20 AM »
These are last couple of comment from the RH rep re the bug ie wont fix, move on :-)

Corinna Vinschen 2017-02-03 04:54:03 EST
(In reply to turandot from comment #9)
> Hi Corinna,
>
> is there a r8168 available within RHEL 7.x? I don't think so...

No, there isn't, of course, since the r8168 driver is covered by
patents incompatible with the Linux source tree.

I refered to it as an alternative since you were already using it
per https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1410994

> Therefore I installed the r8168 from elrepo.org and did the following:
> [...]
> Then I once again did the WoL test, now with r6168 loaded:
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> - init 0
> - Test WoL: FAIL
> - switch off main line
> - wait 10 seconds
> - switch on main line (system does not start automatically)
> - Test WoL: OK
>
> So this driver does not support WoL as well. (The elrepo r8168 for RHEL 6
> does support WoL.)

This isn't quite correct.  Both drivers, r8168 from Realtek and r8169
from the Linux source tree support WoL.  The problem are some of the NICs
which just don't always work as desired, sometimes even dependent on the
machine they are plugged into.  WoL is a delicate issue, susceptible to
all kinds of hardware differences.

Please note that the 8168c model is quite old and EOLed since 2009 as far
as I know.  It has been long since replaced by more modern chpsets like
8168evl or 8168f used on many third-party PCIe NICs, the latest of which
is the 8168h.

As I outlined in my replies, I have no trouble with WoL at all with the
8168f NIC I have available in my test setup, neither with RHEL 6.8, nor with
RHEL 7.3.  It may be a feasible option to upgrade the NIC to a later version,
especially given the low cost of the device.

> Then I searched the dmesg output for the requested line:
>
>    "Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller mcfg = 1234"
>
> Unfortunately I did not find any output like this. I just see the following:

My bad.  I realised belatedly that the above line is only printed if
the driver is running in debug mode.  If you want to see the version of
your 8168c model, you have to download the r8168 driver from Realtek,
apply the newly attached patch (8168.diff) and build and install it.

But...

> Did I miss something? Should I compile the kernel with the provided
> patch as per comment 8?

...yes, this would be the better option.


Regards,
Corinna


Corinna Vinschen 2017-02-14 10:16:29 EST
Hi turandot,

We got hold of a 8168c (21) model just as yours.  However, even after a
couple of days testing we can't get it to honor WoL requests at all,
independently of using the Linux in-tree 8169 driver, or the
Realtek-provided 8168 driver.  We tested this in different hardware
setups as well as in different network setups, known to WoL well using
a Realtek 8168f.

To top it off, the 8168c we got for testing can't WoL after a power
cycle, because it switches itself to 'WoL off' on a cold start.

Other than that, the NIC works as desired.  Our conclusion is that the
devices differ in some cases even when using seemingly identical
hardware, and the devices are apparently prone to BIOS or hardware
differences.

Given that we're unable to reproduce this problem with reasonable
effort, I'll close this issue (as well as BZ 1410994) as CANTFIX.


Corinna
Status: ASSIGNED → CLOSED
Resolution: --- → CANTFIX
Last Closed: 2017-02-14 10:16:29
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