Topic: When is 8.0 to be expected?

[7eis]

Ive been waiting for the 8.0 for a few months - my inner SME Server clock keeps naggin' me to go and check if any RC is released.

What is the release cycle of SME Server? "When its ready"?

Ive been wondering about something else. It seems that Centos 4 is frozen at kernel 2.6.9. Do SME use/mirror the kernel of Centos 4, and when are new kernel builds released into the repos?

All the fuss is about getting (better) support for the CX700 chipset, but also nice things to know, in order to plan installs/updates/modifications of current servers.

Cheers

[cactus]

Ive been waiting for the 8.0 for a few months - my inner SME Server clock keeps naggin' me to go and check if any RC is released.

What is the release cycle of SME Server? "When its ready"

There is some information in the wiki about the release cycle: http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server:Constitution:Development_Group_Guidance#Release_Cycle . However SME Server 8 will only be released when it is stable and all relevant bugs in the bugtracker are fixed and verified I guess, so there is some work to do.

Ive been wondering about something else. It seems that Centos 4 is frozen at kernel 2.6.9. Do SME use/mirror the kernel of Centos 4, and when are new kernel builds released into the repos?

Yes they do, when CentOS releases a new kernel.

All the fuss is about getting (better) support for the CX700 chipset, but also nice things to know, in order to plan installs/updates/modifications of current servers.

I guess you will have to buy better supported hardware, invest in development (by coding or donating) or be even more patient

[byte]

There also needs to be a lot more people (interest) testing and reporting back to the bug tracker if we are (ever) to get an SME Server 8 release out.

So if any one wants to see an SME Server 8.x release get involved and help make it happen!

[calisun]

I have seen SME Server 8beta1 being in Beta1 since December 2007. What is the progress? Is it anywhere close to being  Release Candidate?
I would like to test the software, but only computer I have available to test on is Pentium1, and  SME 8 will not support it.

[CharlieBrady]

What is the progress?

You can determine that yourself by querying the bug tracker. http://bugs.contribs.org/ then choose 'Matrix'.

[calisun]

You can determine that yourself by querying the bug tracker. http://bugs.contribs.org/ then choose 'Matrix'.

I am not sure how I can determine that just by looking at matrix. All I see is that the number of bug reports for SME Server Release 8.X is very small as compared to SME Server Release 7.X
But that can be one of two things, SME8 is very stable and does not have many bugs in it, or not many people are testing it.
But I can't tell which one is the case just by looking at matrix.

If latter is the case, I believe you might get more people participating if a forum was created for SME Server 8.X
I know developers really want people to post problems at Bugzilla, but most people prefer to check with other people: "Is this a bug or did I F... up somewhere" Before posting a bug. Because at a bugzilla, if it is not a bug, only answer you get there is "this is not a bug, closing"

[cactus]

I am not sure how I can determine that just by looking at matrix. All I see is that the number of bug reports for SME Server Release 8.X is very small as compared to SME Server Release 7.X
But that can be one of two things, SME8 is very stable and does not have many bugs in it, or not many people are testing it.
But I can't tell which one is the case just by looking at matrix.

You can see there are more than over 600 bugs in total, considering the limited development team that is a very hard one to address.

If latter is the case, I believe you might get more people participating if a forum was created for SME Server 8.X
I know developers really want people to post problems at Bugzilla, but most people prefer to check with other people: "Is this a bug or did I F... up somewhere" Before posting a bug. Because at a bugzilla, if it is not a bug, only answer you get there is "this is not a bug, closing"

Fo all dvelopment (in all projects) it is normal oif you want to test drive you also take respnsibility off reporting issues you come across in a bugtracker, if you are not willing to follow-up there, you should not install SME Server 8, especially as this is really beta there is no use in creating a forum, which we later need to clean as the real SME 8 is coming out. So either stick with SME Server 7 and have patience or step up and start reporting issues.

[calisun]

You can see there are more than over 600 bugs in total, considering the limited development team that is a very hard one to address.

We were talking about SME8, and there are total of 36 bugs there.
 

Fo all dvelopment (in all projects) it is normal oif you want to test drive you also take respnsibility off reporting issues you come across in a bugtracker, if you are not willing to follow-up there, you should not install SME Server 8, especially as this is really beta there is no use in creating a forum, which we later need to clean as the real SME 8 is coming out. So either stick with SME Server 7 and have patience or step up and start reporting issues.

I have been using SME server since version 6, when version 6.5 was in the works (which never came out) and when SME7 was in Beta, both projects had a forum when they were in Beta stage. And I did Beta test both projects.

And you don't always just have bugs, sometimes you have questions about something you are not sure about. And right now there is no place to do that for SME8 Beta

[kruhm]

You can see there are more than over 600 bugs in total, considering the limited development team that is a very hard one to address.

Possibly more people would be involved in the development team if there were some type of published structure or roles to fill (triage, testers, webmasters, etc).

[cactus]

Possibly more people would be involved in the development team if there were some type of published structure or roles to fill (triage, testers, webmasters, etc).

Work has been done about that, but the election is not held (still) as there are hardly any candidates: http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server:Constitution

[kruhm]

Work has been done about that, but the election is not held (still) as there are hardly any candidates: http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server:Constitution

That's important to have that but it doesn't look like it's done too much to gather hands on efforts.

[cactus]

That's important to have that but it doesn't look like it's done too much to gather hands on efforts.

No, you are right, but it was meant to try and setup some sort of management team to guide such a process.

[MattLittler]

OK, I'm about to set up 8 on a P4 box.  Can someone guide me as to what reporting I should be doing - I've never used a bugzilla before, although I have done testing & error reporting on proprietary systems where I used to work.
br
Matt

[cactus]

OK, I'm about to set up 8 on a P4 box.  Can someone guide me as to what reporting I should be doing - I've never used a bugzilla before, although I have done testing & error reporting on proprietary systems where I used to work.
br
Matt

Not sure exactly, you could start by looking at the bugs for SME8 that are not marked RESOLVED. Every other item you run into should be reported to the bugtracker.
Furthermore you can try and verify issues marked RESOLVED but not VERIFIED.
Before hitting of be sure to read this wiki article: http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server_8

I also suggest you to subscribe to the devinfo mailinglist as you can find and contact the main developers there for more information.

[MattLittler]

Yo Cactus - is this expected when running 'yum update' on my SBME8beta box?  If not, I'll create a bugzilla.  If yes, I'm a dumbass!
cheers
Matt
yum update
==============================================================
WARNING: Additional commands may be required after running yum
==============================================================
Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "smeserver" plugin
Setting up Update Process
Setting up repositories
not using ftp, http, or file for repos, skipping - 5 is not a valid release or hasnt been released yet
Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: updates
================================================================
No new rpms were installed. No additional commands are required.
================================================================

[MattLittler]

Ignore, I just saw it in the bugzilla...
Doh!
M

[cactus]

Yo Cactus - is this expected when running 'yum update' on my SBME8beta box?  If not, I'll create a bugzilla.  If yes, I'm a dumbass!
cheers
Matt
yum update
==============================================================
WARNING: Additional commands may be required after running yum
==============================================================
Loading "fastestmirror" plugin
Loading "installonlyn" plugin
Loading "smeserver" plugin
Setting up Update Process
Setting up repositories
not using ftp, http, or file for repos, skipping - 5 is not a valid release or hasnt been released yet
Error: Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: updates
================================================================
No new rpms were installed. No additional commands are required.
================================================================

Might already be in the bugtracker, not sure about that. Are you sure you followed the instructions listed here: http://wiki.contribs.org/SME_Server_8 ?And I just noticed your other reply after this reply

[MattLittler]

haha.. def. followed instructions, just it's already known.  What about cron telling me this:

Warning: The SSH and rkhunter configuration options should be the same:
         SSH configuration option 'PermitRootLogin': yes
         Rkhunter configuration option 'ALLOW_SSH_ROOT_USER': no
and this:

Warning: The following processes are using deleted files:
         Process: /usr/bin/perl.#prelink#    PID: 4926    File: /usr/bin/perl.#prelink#

I can see a reason for the SSH error (I enabled remote SSH login using server-manager), but I don't have a scooby-doo about the perl error (I know less than nothing about perl).
should I add these to the bugzilla?
cheers
M

[CharlieBrady]

should I add these to the bugzilla?

You should search there first, and anything you don't find you should report. Thanks.

[mercyh]

Matt,

Warning: The SSH and rkhunter configuration options should be the same:
         SSH configuration option 'PermitRootLogin': yes
         Rkhunter configuration option 'ALLOW_SSH_ROOT_USER': no

This could be ignored as noise. But if you want to fix it the answer is Here.

http://forums.contribs.org/index.php?topic=39594.0

replies #7 and #9

[MattLittler]

Thanks mercy, I've implemented the fix in the thread.  Let's see what tomorrow brings!
cheers
Matt

[mercyh]

Warning: The following processes are using deleted files:

bugzilla shows a workaround for this in 7.3. (Turning off RKHunter's deleted files check) I do not see a bug for it in 8.0. I would suggest you open a bug for it in 8.0 as the Devs may choose to push 8.0 with that check already turned off.

[beast]

Just a note that came to mind when I read this thread.......

In the past I really testet the beta releases etc. Was a bit involved!

The problem come with the bug tracker system that every developer seam to point at (and I understand why from a developer stand point). Every time somebody ask a question or have a problem they are directed to the bug system. The problem is that, in my view, the system is made to be used by the developers and most "ordinary" people is repelled by this system. It does not look nice to use or understand in any way. There is also a problem with the split between the forum that everybody understand and the bug tracker. What is the difference, when shall we use the forum and when shall we use the bug tracker etc. You also need a specific access name and password for each system.

The end result is that the developers do not get so many errors to solve, but the error are more documented and easy to list - but does it make a better system in the end? I do not think so! It is also the reason why people ask for the status of version 8 - nothing about it anywhere else but in the bug tracker really (everything else is outdated). May also be the reason why we still wait for version 8. Nobody like to get involved with the current system.

The solution is to make a better interface for a bug system and hopefully integrate it with a simple forum in some way. I know this is quite a project and out of scope for the SME-server people, but there may be a better system out there somewhere.